Some clarification(Einige Klarstellungen)... Biak

  • Since I have read a Ben's new topic about his new babies I was very excited when I saw the name or the attributes that he gave to his male "Nasty". I went to Ben's web site straight away and found a photo of his "Nasty", the mite/melanistic Biak male. So I started to ask myself where is that mite/melanistic coloration in this male?! I couldn't see any black at all or more to say, I couldn't understand why he gave that male these attributes and put it in public? Ben If you can please make more photos of your male and show me and others where is his mite/melanistic as your wrote it? This is his Ben's mite/melanistic Biak male "Nasty" [IMG]http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8114/nastyhp.jpg[/IMG] This is my Biak male "Tiki" that has nice amount of black [IMG]http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3417/tikibody.jpg[/IMG] and this is my other Biak male with nice mite phasing on [IMG]http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1982/newmale.jpg[/IMG] I feel comfortable to write this here since Ben has put his web site in public with his photos and everything and that gives me right to comment on his animals. I want You all to understand that I don't know Ben in private and I don't have anything against him. I just don't like the way that he represented this male and I felt like I need to put that here since this is a chondro forum where we all should comment and talk about our chondros. I did this so others can understand it as well and stop doing it because this can become a serious problem to chondro community and people will get confused with all the attributes that some people like to give to their animals. You can call your animals with all kind of names until it stays in your house or snake room, but when you put it on web site or public forum that is something else. I just want to clarify some things here because I think that it needs to be done. You shouldn't give attributes to your animal such as high yellow if it has few yellow scales or if it is still in color change and that is for Biaks around 4-5 years. Also, You shouldn't coin your animal as mite phase or melanistic if it has one or two black scales. Animals that are looking yellow in general, I mean animals with around 50% yellow and more on them should be called high yellow animals. True high yellow Biak(female 5 years old) [IMG]http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1298/biakmama.jpg[/IMG] Nice looking Biak(female 6 years old), not high yellow or mite phase even though she has some black scales and appear dark in coloration in general. [IMG]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6442/biakfemale.jpg[/IMG] For mite phase and etc. I feel that animal should have a high amount of black scales to be called melanistic and if you want to call it mite phase then it should have at least a nice amount of pure black scales going trough the whole body. This is only worth for pure Biaks. Designer have much different rules since their genetic is much more complicated then the one from pure Biaks. Anyway, I am looking forward to hear your comments on this as I think that this is very important specially for newbies that come in this hobby and want to buy a true mite phase/melanistic animal or high yellow one. Best regards, Toma
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  • very interesting post :applaus: [quote][i]Original von Crochondro[/i] Anyway, I am looking forward to hear your comments on this as I think that this is very important specially for newbies that come in this hobby and want to buy a true mite phase/melanistic animal or high yellow one. Best regards, Toma[/quote] im one of this Newbies ,and im glad for people like you ;) im honestly interesting about all the Answers =) best regards Robert ps. you have a lot of nice animals in your Stock,i know your i-net site ;)
  • @Toma, The topic is well chosen! The thought of you I understand. I just wonder why you do not write me a PN ;)´ I am often confused when I read the offers "normal" Chondros called "High Yellow", Mite Phase etc The name of Chondros is a difficult subject, I read often in the MVF and I know the problems with it ... The term Mite / Melanistic was chosen by me because it is to describe a property of "Nasty". "Nasty" has a lot of black in my eyes, not as much as the two you showed, but enough to justify the designation Mite. As Melanistic should really only be described completely black Chondros, An melanistic animal is completely black, such as a Black Panther. all Chondrofans should think about it ;) The term Mite / Mite Melanistic would I change Thank you for your attention! The photo on my website shows the black scales of "Nasty" is not good, it would renew Here some pics to explain why I would call the animal Mite ... sorry for my bad english
  • Hey Ben, nice to see your reply. I didn't send you a pm because I know what is mite phase or melanistic Biak chondro and I didn't need clarification for myself in first place. Much more important was to clarify this term to others, specially newbies that are not familiar with these term and many others. As I stated I wanted to see comments from others on this topic since you put that term up and photos in public so it is normal that we debate about it. I won't go into the term melanistic when it comes to other animals since as you wrote that term should describe completely black animal such as black jaguar which is most common example in nature. Since there are no completely black chondros in world yet ;) , we use this term melanistic for animals with really high amount of black as these that I am posting photos now. These animals are full siblings to my mite phased male "Pacino". [IMG]http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1460/166036232verylargewcuao.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2546/166336229verylargendxn1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1967/227628526verylargevwglp.jpg[/IMG] These are all high end designer chondros and pure Biak can't look like this. I just posted photos of these to show chondro keepers what should melanistic chondro look like. These are the Biaks that are parents from my female "Gea". These were owned by Max from Austria. If these were owned by you Ben, they would probably be coined as melanistic too since they look a lot like your "Nasty", maybe the dam has even more black then your male. I just can't agree on calling them melanistic since chondro should have a really big amount of black on it to be called melanistic from my point of view. They are little nicer then completely normal looking Biaks but nothing special to be putting special names for their looks, specially the term melanistic which describes some of the most desirable chondros in the world. sire [IMG]http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9143/biaka.jpg[/IMG] dam [IMG]http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8776/biakb.jpg[/IMG] I think these shouldn't be coined as melanistic Biaks since there are chondros with soooo much black on them and putting them in the same box is nonsense to me. I just can't do that, even though I have an offspring from them. I think if we all were just honest confusion and misrepresenting would be gone from our hobby and there wouldn't be any problems when it comes to naming the lines and things like that. As you know Ben, there has been so many topics about these issues on MVF and then I am wondering how you end up with writing that since you know the "problem" that exist in our beautiful hobby. I won't mind if some people write their comments in German as this is German forum and I use translator so please everybody feel free to comment and give your thoughts on this issue. P.S Ben I want to congratulate you on your wonderful clutch. Those Biak x Cyclops should be amazing after their color change. I personally think Biaks are the most potent locality for outcrossing and that is why I have so many of them and will continue to expand my Biak collection.
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  • Toma, I think the issue is to prevent mainly that Chondros in pet "quality" with Chondros investment in "quality" do not have the same name! ;) To prevent this are breeding lines named The problem is none of the hobby breeder, but the commercials! Thanks for the Kind words about my new Babys ;)
    [B]Grüsse Ben[/B] [url=http://www.chondromorphs.com][img]http://www.chondromorphs.com/mediapool/87/871685/resources/15754689.jpg[/img][/url]